If We Trade Him Now, Make It Good
I’m not liking what I’ve been reading. Yes, I am a proponent of trading Manny, as has been mentioned already. I am even willing to give him up now, assuming we get enough back for him to keep us competetive enough to win it again this year. I have faith that if anyone could pull off such a trade now, Theo would be the man. But I don’t think this deal on the table right now is the right one.
First of all, any deal in which we have to eat some of his contract doesn’t make sense right now. If we’re going to have to pay him something, then we should just pay it all and continue to use him this year. In Theo’s defense, it sounds like he’s trying to get the Mets to take it all and if they don’t it could, and should, be a deal-breaker. Even if the Mets do bite on it though, I’m not happy with what we’re getting back for what we’re giving up.
It looks like Aubrey Huff and Mike Cameron. Cameron would probably go to left to “replace” Manny and Huff goes to right to replace Trot. If we get Trot back anytime soon then Huff would be a good left-handed bat at first base. But I don’t think this is enough, considering the fact that we would be giving up 2 prospects as well, Anibel Sanchez and Kelly Shoppach. I have no problems giving up prospects, particularly Shoppach, since we really have no room for him and he’s going to be traded eventually anyway, but I don’t think we should have to give any up in a Ramirez deal, especially when one of them is a top pitching prospect.
We probably needed another pitcher anyway, but if we’re giving up Manny then we DEFINITELY need another pitcher, as well as a bat to replace his and another one either at first, second, or right field. It doesn’t matter whether it’s all one big deal involving Manny and prospects, or separate deals, as long as we get all of that back in the trade and don’t have to eat any of the contract. Otherwise, we should keep him.
Of course, I’m probably jumping the gun here, as all of this, none of this, or anywhere in between could be true. I just wanted to get my opinion in on what I felt needed to happen if we are going to trade Manny.
At this point, I would much rather see them hold onto Manny, pick up a left-handed bat to play right such as Larry Bigbie, who was recently acquired from the Orioles by the Rockies, who may be interested in flipping him here. Then use some prospects to get another bullpen guy and another starter. The Mariners may now be willing to give up Guardado for a prospect, which would be much better than trading Mueller to the Twins for Romero.
As far as the Mueller/Romero deal goes, Mueller hit a home run last night while Romero was brought in to get out leftie Olerud and proceeds to give up a grand slam. Also, as much as I hate to see anyone get hurt in this game (with the one exception of Barry Bonds), especially when it’s a guy like Torry Hunter, this could help my cause (and most of Red Sox Nation) in keeping Mueller here. If Hunter is down for any significant amount of time (and I really hope he’s not because he’s a great player and one of my favorites), the Twins are going to have to go out and get a much bigger bat than Mueller’s.
Gordon Edes is a great baseball writer, one of the best. He’s really got a pulse on what’s going on with the Sox as well as around the entire league. He’s not Peter Gammons (no one is so), but he’s probably the best of all the local guys covering the national beat. It’s because of this that I’m irked by the fact that in his column today he made the glaring error of stating that Mike Cameron has played for 3 teams, the Mets, Mariners, and Reds, while completely forgetting that he spent the first 4 years of his career with the White Sox, including 116 games in “97” and 141 in “98”. I expect better from a guy like that, actually I expect better from anyone who is getting paid to write.
In all my years of watching Major League baseball, I do not ever remember seeing anything as kooky as the series of events that happened last night in which the Sox scored their first 3 runs. It looked like I was watching a little league game. And this coming from a team that is usually known for how fundamentally sound they are (although not as much as usual this year).
As I was sitting there on the couch watching it all unfold and not believing my eyes, I was saying out loud things like, “no”, “you’ve got to be kidding me”, and “I can’t believe that just happened”. Kyla was sitting next to me saying, “what daddy, what happened” as if I was watching the some sort of natural disaster or another bombing.
I’m not the first one to say this, but it’s absolutely miraculous to see Matt Clement walking around with a cut on his ear and a headache as the only results from that shot to the head. He's actually talking about making his next scheduled start on Tuesday, although it's more likely to be later in the week. His skull has got to be a little thicker than most of us. That’s great that he’s okay, now let’s hope it doesn’t affect his pitching.
Welcome back Gabe.
First of all, any deal in which we have to eat some of his contract doesn’t make sense right now. If we’re going to have to pay him something, then we should just pay it all and continue to use him this year. In Theo’s defense, it sounds like he’s trying to get the Mets to take it all and if they don’t it could, and should, be a deal-breaker. Even if the Mets do bite on it though, I’m not happy with what we’re getting back for what we’re giving up.
It looks like Aubrey Huff and Mike Cameron. Cameron would probably go to left to “replace” Manny and Huff goes to right to replace Trot. If we get Trot back anytime soon then Huff would be a good left-handed bat at first base. But I don’t think this is enough, considering the fact that we would be giving up 2 prospects as well, Anibel Sanchez and Kelly Shoppach. I have no problems giving up prospects, particularly Shoppach, since we really have no room for him and he’s going to be traded eventually anyway, but I don’t think we should have to give any up in a Ramirez deal, especially when one of them is a top pitching prospect.
We probably needed another pitcher anyway, but if we’re giving up Manny then we DEFINITELY need another pitcher, as well as a bat to replace his and another one either at first, second, or right field. It doesn’t matter whether it’s all one big deal involving Manny and prospects, or separate deals, as long as we get all of that back in the trade and don’t have to eat any of the contract. Otherwise, we should keep him.
Of course, I’m probably jumping the gun here, as all of this, none of this, or anywhere in between could be true. I just wanted to get my opinion in on what I felt needed to happen if we are going to trade Manny.
At this point, I would much rather see them hold onto Manny, pick up a left-handed bat to play right such as Larry Bigbie, who was recently acquired from the Orioles by the Rockies, who may be interested in flipping him here. Then use some prospects to get another bullpen guy and another starter. The Mariners may now be willing to give up Guardado for a prospect, which would be much better than trading Mueller to the Twins for Romero.
As far as the Mueller/Romero deal goes, Mueller hit a home run last night while Romero was brought in to get out leftie Olerud and proceeds to give up a grand slam. Also, as much as I hate to see anyone get hurt in this game (with the one exception of Barry Bonds), especially when it’s a guy like Torry Hunter, this could help my cause (and most of Red Sox Nation) in keeping Mueller here. If Hunter is down for any significant amount of time (and I really hope he’s not because he’s a great player and one of my favorites), the Twins are going to have to go out and get a much bigger bat than Mueller’s.
Gordon Edes is a great baseball writer, one of the best. He’s really got a pulse on what’s going on with the Sox as well as around the entire league. He’s not Peter Gammons (no one is so), but he’s probably the best of all the local guys covering the national beat. It’s because of this that I’m irked by the fact that in his column today he made the glaring error of stating that Mike Cameron has played for 3 teams, the Mets, Mariners, and Reds, while completely forgetting that he spent the first 4 years of his career with the White Sox, including 116 games in “97” and 141 in “98”. I expect better from a guy like that, actually I expect better from anyone who is getting paid to write.
In all my years of watching Major League baseball, I do not ever remember seeing anything as kooky as the series of events that happened last night in which the Sox scored their first 3 runs. It looked like I was watching a little league game. And this coming from a team that is usually known for how fundamentally sound they are (although not as much as usual this year).
As I was sitting there on the couch watching it all unfold and not believing my eyes, I was saying out loud things like, “no”, “you’ve got to be kidding me”, and “I can’t believe that just happened”. Kyla was sitting next to me saying, “what daddy, what happened” as if I was watching the some sort of natural disaster or another bombing.
I’m not the first one to say this, but it’s absolutely miraculous to see Matt Clement walking around with a cut on his ear and a headache as the only results from that shot to the head. He's actually talking about making his next scheduled start on Tuesday, although it's more likely to be later in the week. His skull has got to be a little thicker than most of us. That’s great that he’s okay, now let’s hope it doesn’t affect his pitching.
Welcome back Gabe.
posted by Bob at 7/30/2005 11:13:00 AM
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